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Re: Trade Meter Values still a big problem

By GrandadB
6/23/2017 12:30 pm
The current trade meter values both for picks & players make it more difficult to make a "balanced" trade and opens the door for the abuse that has been a problem from day one.

Ive posted about it before, and am posting about it again as there is agreement from several veteran, long-term owners about it.

No first round pick should be valued less than 1000. No second round pick should be less than 500. 3rd round 250.

Player valuations should reflect 1. the position importance (CB vs TE for example), There is definitely a positional "heirarchy" in MFN. This would also help to reduce trades like a TE with a 2000+ trade meter value for two or three top players and/or picks. No TE should be worth 2000 as far as I have experienced in this game. In fact, no player should be worth 2000 if a first round pick is a minimum 1000. Make first round picks much more valuable, as much as they are valued by the "sharks" that continually trade for them who have teams that are already championship level. Not hard to spot, a team that either won the LC or conference championship having more than 1 first round pick in the next draft.

2.Should be based more on key position attributes as opposed to default value. Example: speed/accel,ball carry,& break tackle for a RB are all 90+ but the default value is 67 and the players trade value is less than 100.

3. Should factor in the player's career statistical performance, if they have any. I realize that may be difficult to include in the game with respect to the programming, but it is a consideration when you have a sack leader for the league that is worth less than 100 on the trade meter, or an interception leader, or any top performer in their statistical category, that you would not trade for anything less than another high value in return.

4. The players experience, age, and % likely to retire.

If nothing else, improving the pick values will go a long way to preventing unbalanced trades. A range of 500 to 2500 for a first round pick is way too much. The range should be 1000 to 2000, and based on what Ive seen in the last few drafts, there are fewer 1500+ value players in the first 10 picks. You are lucky to find a DB with 90+ speed & cover skills by the end of the first round. Players that are a 2000 trade value should be truly exceptional, impact players at the key positions... DB, WR, RB, QB, LB....... DE & DT have been reduced in the new game version, still important but not as much as before. RB & QB can many times be effectively replaced by low default value player out of the FA pool, which is much more difficult to do for a DB, WR, or LB. Until that changes, it should also be a factor in trade meter valuations.
Their value should also reflect the difficulty of replacing them and their age.
Last edited at 6/23/2017 12:40 pm

Re: Trade Meter Values still a big problem

By WarEagle
6/23/2017 3:00 pm
JDB has said repeatedly that the draft pick values are based on this chart (see link) and he is not going to change them.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/
Maybe not the exact link he used, but the same chart.

I do agree the player values are way off in relation to (a) draft pick values and (b) their actual on-field value.

I do not agree that a player's stats should have an impact on their trade value.
Player A plays on a team that blitzes every down and therefore has many more sacks than player B. That does not mean player A is better (or worth more) than player B.

Same could be said for most stats.



Re: Trade Meter Values still a big problem

By punisher
6/23/2017 3:04 pm
WarEagle wrote:
JDB has said repeatedly that the draft pick values are based on this chart (see link) and he is not going to change them.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/
Maybe not the exact link he used, but the same chart.


well JDB might want to update his trade metter values

link = https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/4/23/15398184/2017-nfl-draft-creating-a-brand-new-nfl-draft-value-trade-chart

Rich Hill of Pats Pulpit created a new one because he thought it was time to update the old one.

Re: Trade Meter Values still a big problem

By WarEagle
6/23/2017 3:46 pm
punisher wrote:
WarEagle wrote:
JDB has said repeatedly that the draft pick values are based on this chart (see link) and he is not going to change them.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/
Maybe not the exact link he used, but the same chart.


well JDB might want to update his trade metter values

link = https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/4/23/15398184/2017-nfl-draft-creating-a-brand-new-nfl-draft-value-trade-chart

Rich Hill of Pats Pulpit created a new one because he thought it was time to update the old one.


Excellent find Punisher.


Trying to create a table that includes picks at the top of the draft (ie: top five) doesn’t make sense because the value of the pick changes on a year-to-year basis. For example, the #1 pick when Andrew Luck was a prospect is worth a lot more than the #1 pick this year, with Myles Garrett as the top prospect.


This is one of my biggest complaints about the MFN trade values for "this" year. It doesn't take the draft pool into consideration.
Above may not be the best example. Myles Garrett is probably worth more in MFN than Andrew Luck.

Last edited at 6/23/2017 3:51 pm

Re: Trade Meter Values still a big problem

By GrandadB
6/24/2017 2:02 pm
Primarily, there is no TE or FB in MFN that should be worth 1500 or more on the trade meter, especially not 2000+!

There are no OL in MFN that should be worth more than 1500 and should not exceed any first round pick value.

And now, in the new game version, in general, there is no DE or DT that should be worth more than 1500 or exceed any first round pick value, LBs have been handicapped by hot reads. Sacks have been dramatically reduced.

A first round pick, especially 1.1 thru 1.10/15, is the most valuable single asset personnel-wise in MFN. How many would use that pick for a FB or TE? There are a few, Im sure, but not many and not someone who knows the kind of roster it takes to compete for a LC.

As far as stats go, I always check the stats for any player that Im considering, % catch allowed for DBs, sacks allowed for OL, sacks for DE/DT, LB, total yards,yds per catch, and TDs for WR & TE, yards per carry & TDs for RB, rating, sacks, yardage, TDs for QB. There are some players who have stats that defy their ratings, dont know how that can be, but there are. Both ways, over and under performers, especially QBs. Yeah, the player's stats are affected by the offensive or defensive "styles", but in general, its a good idea to have a look at them before deciding whether or not you want to add that player to your team. It has paid off many times for me so far.

Last edited at 6/24/2017 2:05 pm

Re: Trade Meter Values still a big problem

By Booger926
6/24/2017 3:12 pm
GrandadB wrote:
Primarily, there is no TE or FB in MFN that should be worth 1500 or more on the trade meter, especially not 2000+!

There are no OL in MFN that should be worth more than 1500 and should not exceed any first round pick value.

And now, in the new game version, in general, there is no DE or DT that should be worth more than 1500 or exceed any first round pick value, LBs have been handicapped by hot reads. Sacks have been dramatically reduced.

A first round pick, especially 1.1 thru 1.10/15, is the most valuable single asset personnel-wise in MFN. How many would use that pick for a FB or TE? There are a few, Im sure, but not many and not someone who knows the kind of roster it takes to compete for a LC.

As far as stats go, I always check the stats for any player that Im considering, % catch allowed for DBs, sacks allowed for OL, sacks for DE/DT, LB, total yards,yds per catch, and TDs for WR & TE, yards per carry & TDs for RB, rating, sacks, yardage, TDs for QB. There are some players who have stats that defy their ratings, dont know how that can be, but there are. Both ways, over and under performers, especially QBs. Yeah, the player's stats are affected by the offensive or defensive "styles", but in general, its a good idea to have a look at them before deciding whether or not you want to add that player to your team. It has paid off many times for me so far.


And how does one determine "Sacks allowed," "catch % allowed" sacks by DL, plus your other stats which you disagree with BEFORE the draft?
Is this your next excuse?

Re: Trade Meter Values still a big problem

By Chipped
6/24/2017 4:18 pm
Re: drafting a TE in the first ten picks

I would do that. I considered it in the private 75 draft. Nothing wrong with an elite TE if you know how to deploy him.

Re: Trade Meter Values still a big problem

By Booger926
6/24/2017 5:34 pm
Chipped wrote:
Re: drafting a TE in the first ten picks

I would do that. I considered it in the private 75 draft. Nothing wrong with an elite TE if you know how to deploy him.


Think Jimmy Graham

Re: Trade Meter Values still a big problem

By parsh
6/24/2017 8:27 pm
Booger926 wrote:
Chipped wrote:
Re: drafting a TE in the first ten picks

I would do that. I considered it in the private 75 draft. Nothing wrong with an elite TE if you know how to deploy him.


Think Jimmy Graham


Gronk? Eifert? Ok the latter is me being a homer.

I'd go to top 10 to get a Gronkowski if I could duplicate the stats!

Re: Trade Meter Values still a big problem

By lellow2011
6/25/2017 1:48 am
parsh wrote:
Booger926 wrote:
Chipped wrote:
Re: drafting a TE in the first ten picks

I would do that. I considered it in the private 75 draft. Nothing wrong with an elite TE if you know how to deploy him.


Think Jimmy Graham


Gronk? Eifert? Ok the latter is me being a homer.

I'd go to top 10 to get a Gronkowski if I could duplicate the stats!


I wouldn't if he was just as likely to miss half of his games due to injury.
Last edited at 6/25/2017 1:49 am